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Feedback/messages/comments Re: [LbNA] an idea...

From: J A R S (ontario_cacher@yahoo.ca) | Date: 2006-02-16 09:05:10 UTC-05:00
I welcome commentary. I find positive feedback inspires me to create and hide more letterboxes. Not-so-positive feedback helps me fix the clues or the box so it's a more enjoyable experience for the finder. Since we can't post comments on the LBNA site or AQ sites, I've set up on online guest book where people can post comments. There's a link to it in each of my clues pages. I do mention that I reserve the right to edit or delete spoilers.

JARS

funhog1 wrote: You may not realize that there are many, many letterboxers who
adamantly do not want any such messages posted regarding their
letterboxes. This was the basis of a very heated arguement a couple of
years back on this very talk list. Although it's highly unlikely, not
having hidden any letterboxes in your region, please do not allow any
commentary on any of my boxes to appear on your web site. Many thanks,
Funhog

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Doc wrote:

> It's also nice as
> you can leave messages about the boxes after you find them.
>

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Feedback/messages/comments Re: [LbNA] an idea...

From: Brian, Ryan & Lori (teamgreendragon2003@yahoo.com) | Date: 2006-02-16 14:50:45 UTC
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, J A R S
wrote:
>
> I welcome commentary. I find positive feedback inspires me to
create and hide more letterboxes. Not-so-positive feedback helps me
fix the clues or the box so it's a more enjoyable experience for the
finder. Since we can't post comments on the LBNA site or AQ sites,
I've set up on online guest book where people can post comments.
There's a link to it in each of my clues pages. I do mention that I
reserve the right to edit or delete spoilers.
>
> JARS

Commentary to you about your boxes is one thing, you have control
over it. What FH is talking about is comments about FH's boxes in a
public place that FH has no control over. This war was fought a long
time ago (or at least it seems like a long time ago) and there really
were no victors. I'm with Funhog on this and would ask that no
comments on my boxes be made either. I do welcome comments either
through private email or here on the chat groups where I have the
opportunity to make my own comments or rebuttals. I enjoy hearing
from people who have found my boxes, though I have disabled the
status feature on the LbNA site. I enjoy knowing who has found my
boxes I just don't want anybody else to know who has been there
before them. And I certainly don't want someone who didn't find the
box to have the opportunity to mark my clue with this info. The
status feature has always been a thorn in my side because I feel that
me not having it enabled sends its own message. A message that comes
from my clues that I did not put there and have no control over.

Brian
TeamGreenDragon






Feedback/messages/comments Re: [LbNA] an idea...

From: gwendontoo (foxsecurity@earthlink.net) | Date: 2006-02-16 16:50:30 UTC
This war was fought a long
> time ago (or at least it seems like a long time ago) and there
really
> were no victors.

Brian
I think you are wrong on this. The database idea was killed, but the
flag with the list of finders and attempts sprang up shortly there
after. So there were some victors. Those that dislike the record of
finders lost out.

We do(reluctantly)enable the flag feature, but when someone
lists "attempted" on one of our harder boxes I usually post a note
in the clues indicating that the "attempted" listing reflects on the
finder's capabilities rather than the status of the letterbox. I
have even had some folks complain about my note, and my response was
to be more diligent in their search, and realize that using the
recording feature and listing attempts has some drawbacks.

One result of the flag feature is the reduction of notes
from "Contact the Placer". I enjoy receiving notes regarding our
letterboxes and the new system seems very impersonal.

Don




Feedback/messages/comments Re: [LbNA] an idea...

From: Brian, Ryan & Lori (teamgreendragon2003@yahoo.com) | Date: 2006-02-16 17:32:23 UTC
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "gwendontoo"
wrote:
>
> This war was fought a long
> > time ago (or at least it seems like a long time ago) and there
> really
> > were no victors.
>
> Brian
> I think you are wrong on this. The database idea was killed, but the
> flag with the list of finders and attempts sprang up shortly there
> after. So there were some victors. Those that dislike the record of
> finders lost out.
>

Yeah Don, you are right. I just don't like to admit defeat.

Brian
TeamGreenDragon




Feedback/messages/comments Re: [LbNA] an idea...

From: Rick in Boca (rick_in_boca@bigfoot.com) | Date: 2006-02-16 22:09:08 UTC
With regard to the impersonal nature of the flag feature, versus
using "contact the placer," this is one aspect of the GecCaching site
that I really enjoy. The notes in the log seem so warm, and the photos
posted make it appear that everyone is having so much fun. The 'cachers
seem pretty careful not to post spoilers.

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "gwendontoo"
wrote:
>
> One result of the flag feature is the reduction of notes
> from "Contact the Placer". I enjoy receiving notes regarding our
> letterboxes and the new system seems very impersonal.
>
> Don
>





Feedback/messages/comments Re: [LbNA] an idea...

From: dvn2rckr (dvn2rckr@yahoo.com) | Date: 2006-02-16 22:55:27 UTC
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Rick in Boca"
wrote:
>The notes in the log seem so warm, and the photos
> posted make it appear that everyone is having so much fun.
The 'cachers
> seem pretty careful not to post spoilers.


But they do. I geocache without a GPS and often use the log
comments to help find the cache. That is, of course, when the trail
(s) to the cache isn't so emblazoned by 'social trail damage' as it
usually is (not that letterboxing is any better at avoiding this,
though, unfortunately). Uh oh--my secret's out now.
~~*~~
My letterboxing clues allow comment by visitors because the clues
are listed on our own website using a BBoard discussion board
format. I'm fine with folks commenting on the boxes but every now &
then I'll see posts that either disclose the solution to a mystery
box or the fact that a bonus box exists. That is pretty upsetting.
However, because it's my website and I can 'override' the comment
function I'm able to delete the spoiler or purge the info that
reveals the bit of mystery that is so vital to this hobby. If it's
listed in a different type of format the letterbox planter may not
have the flexibility to purge comments about their own boxes.
That's when it crosses the line.

dlphinus




Re: Feedback/messages/comments Re: [LbNA] an idea...

From: J A R S (ontario_cacher@yahoo.ca) | Date: 2006-02-16 18:51:00 UTC-05:00
I agree. The posts are 1/2 the fun of finding and hiding geocaches. There are some creative writers out there and it's a hoot to read some of the (sometimes mis)adventures of geocachers. Spoilers can be encrypted or deleted by owners.

I also love the photos that people include with their logs - back when I first started geocaching there was a family that appeared headless in all their photos (photoshop touch-up, the didn't actually decapitate themselves). I thought was a creative and funny way to remain anonymous.

When I hide a geocache I anxiously await that first finder post. I'm a feedback fan. The more feedback the better. :)

JARS

Rick in Boca wrote: With regard to the impersonal nature of the flag feature, versus
using "contact the placer," this is one aspect of the GecCaching site
that I really enjoy. The notes in the log seem so warm, and the photos
posted make it appear that everyone is having so much fun. The 'cachers
seem pretty careful not to post spoilers.

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "gwendontoo"
wrote:
>
> One result of the flag feature is the reduction of notes
> from "Contact the Placer". I enjoy receiving notes regarding our
> letterboxes and the new system seems very impersonal.
>
> Don
>


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Feedback/messages/comments Re: [LbNA] an idea...

From: Brian, Ryan & Lori (teamgreendragon2003@yahoo.com) | Date: 2006-02-17 17:24:56 UTC
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, J A R S
wrote:
>
> The posts are 1/2 the fun of finding and hiding geocaches.


Well, I guess that pretty much explains the difference.


Brian
TeamGreenDragon







Re: Feedback/messages/comments Re: [LbNA] an idea...

From: J A R S (ontario_cacher@yahoo.ca) | Date: 2006-02-17 13:54:37 UTC-05:00
That's only my opinion i.e. logs are half the fun. I enjoy the posting aspect of geocaching as well as the hiding and finding aspects.

I'm sure there some geocachers who don't care about logs. There are some geocachers that never post. They just find. I bet there are geocachers that find and never sign the paper log. But the site allows for all types, those who like to post and those who don't. Those who write a short essay about their hiking experience and include photos and those who just write "found it".

JARS

"Brian, Ryan & Lori" wrote: --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, J A R S
wrote:
>
> The posts are 1/2 the fun of finding and hiding geocaches.


Well, I guess that pretty much explains the difference.


Brian
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Feedback/messages/comments Re: [LbNA] an idea...

From: SpringChick (letterbox@comcast.net) | Date: 2006-02-22 17:56:19 UTC
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, J A R S
wrote:
> But the site allows for all types, those who like to
> post and those who don't. Those who write a short
> essay about their hiking experience and include photos
> and those who just write "found it".
>

But does it allow a placer to turn off comments completely if they
do not wish for this on their placement? If not, then it may be
allowing for all types of "finders" as you say, but not really
taking into consideration the wishes of all types of "placers." In
my opinion, a placer should have more control of their placement
than a finder.

As a finder, I have the option of whether or not to read the
comments of those who went before me, and if I don't want to know
anything about the box before I go, I don't read them. Easy
enough. But as a placer, if I don't wish for there to be public
comments or discussion on the box/cache I have planted, I should
have the option to disallow this without having to delete or encrypt
each individual log entry.

SpringChick




Re: Feedback/messages/comments Re: [LbNA] an idea...

From: J A R S (ontario_cacher@yahoo.ca) | Date: 2006-02-22 15:29:37 UTC-05:00
I would like to have online logs on my letterbox clues pages. I really like feedback and would enjoy public logs.

But I can understand that you and other hiders wouldn't be comfortable with logs on your LB clue pages because of the risk of spoilers.

Perhaps the LB sites would consider setting up something so that those of us who want logs to appear on our clue page could have them and those who don't can disable the feature.

JARS

SpringChick wrote: --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, J A R S
wrote:
> But the site allows for all types, those who like to
> post and those who don't. Those who write a short
> essay about their hiking experience and include photos
> and those who just write "found it".
>

But does it allow a placer to turn off comments completely if they
do not wish for this on their placement? If not, then it may be
allowing for all types of "finders" as you say, but not really
taking into consideration the wishes of all types of "placers." In
my opinion, a placer should have more control of their placement
than a finder.

As a finder, I have the option of whether or not to read the
comments of those who went before me, and if I don't want to know
anything about the box before I go, I don't read them. Easy
enough. But as a placer, if I don't wish for there to be public
comments or discussion on the box/cache I have planted, I should
have the option to disallow this without having to delete or encrypt
each individual log entry.

SpringChick



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Re: Feedback/messages/comments Re: [LbNA] an idea...

From: Hikers_n_ Hounds (hikers_n_hounds@yahoo.com) | Date: 2006-02-22 12:44:49 UTC-08:00
Most folks handle that by creating thier own webpage and just listing the link on the LBNA clues section. Best of both worlds.

J A R S wrote: I would like to have online logs on my letterbox clues pages. I really like feedback and would enjoy public logs.

But I can understand that you and other hiders wouldn't be comfortable with logs on your LB clue pages because of the risk of spoilers.

Perhaps the LB sites would consider setting up something so that those of us who want logs to appear on our clue page could have them and those who don't can disable the feature.

JARS

SpringChick wrote: --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, J A R S
wrote:
> But the site allows for all types, those who like to
> post and those who don't. Those who write a short
> essay about their hiking experience and include photos
> and those who just write "found it".
>

But does it allow a placer to turn off comments completely if they
do not wish for this on their placement? If not, then it may be
allowing for all types of "finders" as you say, but not really
taking into consideration the wishes of all types of "placers." In
my opinion, a placer should have more control of their placement
than a finder.

As a finder, I have the option of whether or not to read the
comments of those who went before me, and if I don't want to know
anything about the box before I go, I don't read them. Easy
enough. But as a placer, if I don't wish for there to be public
comments or discussion on the box/cache I have planted, I should
have the option to disallow this without having to delete or encrypt
each individual log entry.

SpringChick



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Re: Feedback/messages/comments Re: [LbNA] an idea...

From: J A R S (ontario_cacher@yahoo.ca) | Date: 2006-02-22 16:03:48 UTC-05:00
I have an online guestbook (I found a site where I could get a free account) and provide a link to it on my clue pages. But it's a click away (users are less likely to use it if it's off-site) and all the comments for all the boxes (real and virtual) are on one guestbook. I'm not sure that I could set up 60+ free guestbook accounts, one for each box. I'd like to view the comments on the letterbox clue page.

Hikers_n_ Hounds wrote: Most folks handle that by creating thier own webpage and just listing the link on the LBNA clues section. Best of both worlds.

J A R S wrote: I would like to have online logs on my letterbox clues pages. I really like feedback and would enjoy public logs.

But I can understand that you and other hiders wouldn't be comfortable with logs on your LB clue pages because of the risk of spoilers.

Perhaps the LB sites would consider setting up something so that those of us who want logs to appear on our clue page could have them and those who don't can disable the feature.

JARS

SpringChick wrote: --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, J A R S
wrote:
> But the site allows for all types, those who like to
> post and those who don't. Those who write a short
> essay about their hiking experience and include photos
> and those who just write "found it".
>

But does it allow a placer to turn off comments completely if they
do not wish for this on their placement? If not, then it may be
allowing for all types of "finders" as you say, but not really
taking into consideration the wishes of all types of "placers." In
my opinion, a placer should have more control of their placement
than a finder.

As a finder, I have the option of whether or not to read the
comments of those who went before me, and if I don't want to know
anything about the box before I go, I don't read them. Easy
enough. But as a placer, if I don't wish for there to be public
comments or discussion on the box/cache I have planted, I should
have the option to disallow this without having to delete or encrypt
each individual log entry.

SpringChick



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Re: Feedback/messages/comments Re: [LbNA] an idea...

From: Hikers_n_ Hounds (hikers_n_hounds@yahoo.com) | Date: 2006-02-22 15:05:08 UTC-08:00
Oh well, sorry I couldn't help.

J A R S wrote: I have an online guestbook (I found a site where I could get a free account) and provide a link to it on my clue pages. But it's a click away (users are less likely to use it if it's off-site) and all the comments for all the boxes (real and virtual) are on one guestbook. I'm not sure that I could set up 60+ free guestbook accounts, one for each box. I'd like to view the comments on the letterbox clue page.

Hikers_n_ Hounds wrote: Most folks handle that by creating thier own webpage and just listing the link on the LBNA clues section. Best of both worlds.

J A R S wrote: I would like to have online logs on my letterbox clues pages. I really like feedback and would enjoy public logs.

But I can understand that you and other hiders wouldn't be comfortable with logs on your LB clue pages because of the risk of spoilers.

Perhaps the LB sites would consider setting up something so that those of us who want logs to appear on our clue page could have them and those who don't can disable the feature.

JARS

SpringChick wrote: --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, J A R S
wrote:
> But the site allows for all types, those who like to
> post and those who don't. Those who write a short
> essay about their hiking experience and include photos
> and those who just write "found it".
>

But does it allow a placer to turn off comments completely if they
do not wish for this on their placement? If not, then it may be
allowing for all types of "finders" as you say, but not really
taking into consideration the wishes of all types of "placers." In
my opinion, a placer should have more control of their placement
than a finder.

As a finder, I have the option of whether or not to read the
comments of those who went before me, and if I don't want to know
anything about the box before I go, I don't read them. Easy
enough. But as a placer, if I don't wish for there to be public
comments or discussion on the box/cache I have planted, I should
have the option to disallow this without having to delete or encrypt
each individual log entry.

SpringChick



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Feedback/messages/comments Re: [LbNA] an idea...

From: Pungent Bob (PungentBob@HotPOP.com) | Date: 2006-02-22 23:33:02 UTC
So it is too much of a hassle, expense, and/or effort for you to do it
yourself, yet you'd like some other provider to do it for you, using
their time and resources.

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, J A R S
wrote:
>
> I have an online guestbook (I found a site where I could get a free
account) and provide a link to it on my clue pages. But it's a click
away (users are less likely to use it if it's off-site) and all the
comments for all the boxes (real and virtual) are on one guestbook.
I'm not sure that I could set up 60+ free guestbook accounts, one for
each box. I'd like to view the comments on the letterbox clue page.
>
>
> Perhaps the LB sites would consider setting up something so
that those of us who want logs to appear on our clue page could
have them and those who don't can disable the feature.
>
> JARS





Feedback/messages/comments Re: [LbNA] an idea...

From: alwayschaos (alwayschaos@yahoo.com) | Date: 2006-02-23 12:54:29 UTC
Sounds like it!

I think people have forgotten that letterboxing.org is for everyone,
not just what they'd personally like to see.

I'm sure someone out there would love to have a spoilers section to
make it easier to find those danged mystery boxes. How about a
pictures section with photos leading you every 5 feet until
you "find" the box. That would make it so much easier for those who
don't have the time or want to expend the effort to figure out a
mystery.

Wait, I think there already are websites out there like that!

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Pungent Bob"
wrote:
>
> So it is too much of a hassle, expense, and/or effort for you to
do it
> yourself, yet you'd like some other provider to do it for you,
using
> their time and resources.
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, J A R S
> wrote:
> >
> > I have an online guestbook (I found a site where I could get a
free
> account) and provide a link to it on my clue pages. But it's a
click
> away (users are less likely to use it if it's off-site) and all
the
> comments for all the boxes (real and virtual) are on one
guestbook.
> I'm not sure that I could set up 60+ free guestbook accounts, one
for
> each box. I'd like to view the comments on the letterbox clue
page.
> >
> >
> > Perhaps the LB sites would consider setting up something so
> that those of us who want logs to appear on our clue page could
> have them and those who don't can disable the feature.
> >
> > JARS
>





Re: Feedback/messages/comments Re: [LbNA] an idea...

From: J A R S (ontario_cacher@yahoo.ca) | Date: 2006-02-23 09:05:05 UTC-05:00
It's just a suggestion. If the ability to post logs was feature that could be provided with little trouble then I'm putting it out as a suggestion.

I wonder if Choi and Green Tortuga could address whether it would be a problem to the sites (i.e. would it slow down the site, would it require a larger server) to implement logs.

JARS

Pungent Bob wrote: So it is too much of a hassle, expense, and/or effort for you to do it
yourself, yet you'd like some other provider to do it for you, using
their time and resources.

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, J A R S
wrote:
>
> I have an online guestbook (I found a site where I could get a free
account) and provide a link to it on my clue pages. But it's a click
away (users are less likely to use it if it's off-site) and all the
comments for all the boxes (real and virtual) are on one guestbook.
I'm not sure that I could set up 60+ free guestbook accounts, one for
each box. I'd like to view the comments on the letterbox clue page.
>
>
> Perhaps the LB sites would consider setting up something so
that those of us who want logs to appear on our clue page could
have them and those who don't can disable the feature.
>
> JARS






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Re: Feedback/messages/comments Re: [LbNA] an idea...

From: J A R S (ontario_cacher@yahoo.ca) | Date: 2006-02-23 10:48:46 UTC-05:00
Hmmm. Your post got me thinking. It's not so much about the hassle factor for me, I think it's more about a finder having to leave the site to leave a comment or view comments. I think more people would rather leave the comment on the clue page. So I'm going to try something with my pages. I'll copy and paste comments I receive to the end of the clue page. Although I think finders would probably like the ability to do it themselves. Thanks for getting me to think of a work around.

JARS

Pungent Bob wrote: So it is too much of a hassle, expense, and/or effort for you to do it
yourself, yet you'd like some other provider to do it for you, using
their time and resources.

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, J A R S
wrote:
>
> I have an online guestbook (I found a site where I could get a free
account) and provide a link to it on my clue pages. But it's a click
away (users are less likely to use it if it's off-site) and all the
comments for all the boxes (real and virtual) are on one guestbook.
I'm not sure that I could set up 60+ free guestbook accounts, one for
each box. I'd like to view the comments on the letterbox clue page.
>
>
> Perhaps the LB sites would consider setting up something so
that those of us who want logs to appear on our clue page could
have them and those who don't can disable the feature.
>
> JARS



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Feedback/messages/comments Re: [LbNA] an idea...

From: rscarpen (letterboxing@atlasquest.com) | Date: 2006-02-23 17:13:29 UTC
> So it is too much of a hassle, expense, and/or effort for you to do
> it yourself, yet you'd like some other provider to do it for you,
> using their time and resources.

I don't think that's very fair. In most cases, people use LbNA or AQ
*because* it's too much of a hassle, expense, effort, and/or
technologoically too advanced for some people to do themselves.
Everyone could be required to host their own clues, organize the
ability to sort through their clues, and such, but most don't.

And throwing ideas out there--they may stick or not stick--but ideas
are a wonderful thing. Without ideas, we'd still be living in caves
looking for the next insect to eat. =)

Not that there's anything wrong with being a caveman--lest any cavemen
on this list be insulted--but I like to live a cushy life myself. =)

-- Ryan




Re: Feedback/messages/comments Re: [LbNA] an idea...

From: (john@johnsblog.com) | Date: 2006-02-23 12:38:12 UTC-05:00
The LbNA webmasters group determines what will be
impletemented on the LbNA website and I can't speak for
the entire group other than to say that the reason that we
haven't implemented logs is not a technical one.

Choi

> I wonder if Choi and Green Tortuga could address
>whether it would be a problem to the sites (i.e. would
>it slow down the site, would it require a larger server)
> to implement logs.

Re: Feedback/messages/comments Re: [LbNA] an idea...

From: J A R S (ontario_cacher@yahoo.ca) | Date: 2006-02-23 13:03:48 UTC-05:00
Thanks Choi. That's good to know.

JARS

john@johnsblog.com wrote: The LbNA webmasters group determines what will be
impletemented on the LbNA website and I can't speak for
the entire group other than to say that the reason that we
haven't implemented logs is not a technical one.

Choi

> I wonder if Choi and Green Tortuga could address
>whether it would be a problem to the sites (i.e. would
>it slow down the site, would it require a larger server)
> to implement logs.


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Re: Feedback/messages/comments Re: [LbNA] an idea...

From: J A R S (ontario_cacher@yahoo.ca) | Date: 2006-02-23 13:33:49 UTC-05:00
I hope the webteam will consider having an optional logging feature for those hiders, like myself, who want to encourage feedback and want to share it with others.

Positive feedback inspires me to hide more boxes (that are the same or better quality). Not so positive feedback is useful too, it helps me tweak the clues or the location of the box to make the find a better experience for boxers.

JARS


J A R S wrote: Thanks Choi. That's good to know.

JARS

john@johnsblog.com wrote: The LbNA webmasters group determines what will be
impletemented on the LbNA website and I can't speak for
the entire group other than to say that the reason that we
haven't implemented logs is not a technical one.

Choi

> I wonder if Choi and Green Tortuga could address
>whether it would be a problem to the sites (i.e. would
>it slow down the site, would it require a larger server)
> to implement logs.


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Feedback/messages/comments Re: [LbNA] an idea...

From: gwendontoo (foxsecurity@earthlink.net) | Date: 2006-02-23 18:46:13 UTC
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, J A R S
wrote:
>
> I hope the webteam will consider having an optional logging
feature for those hiders, like myself, who want to encourage
feedback and want to share it with others.
>
> Positive feedback inspires me to hide more boxes (that are the
same or better quality). Not so positive feedback is useful too, it
helps me tweak the clues or the location of the box to make the
find a better experience for boxers.
>
> JARS
>
I think you can receive feed back from 'Contact the Placer'. Once
received you can cut and paste into your clues. This chatlist and
others can be used for the same thing. That would be a very simple
way to post the notes you may receive and not have the procedure be
something that would have to be disabled for others that do not wish
the info posted about their letterboxes.

Don




Re: Feedback/messages/comments Re: [LbNA] an idea...

From: (kotlarek@wi.rr.com) | Date: 2006-02-23 12:58:24 UTC-06:00
> The LbNA webmasters group determines what will be
> impletemented on the LbNA website and I can't speak for
> the entire group other than to say that the reason that we
> haven't implemented logs is not a technical one.
>
> Choi


I like the Contact the Placer feature since it allows individual
feedback. I generally send a message to the Placer for every box we
look for. I enjoy getting messages from people who have looked for my
boxes.

I like the Status logging feature since it has given us more feedback
on our boxes (since not everyone takes the time to send a message).
When we get a "Found" status we assume the box is in OK condition. If
we get an "Attempted", we know someone had difficulty finding it. We
may then check on the status of the box ourselves, but are more likely
to do so if someone actually send us a message describing where they
were. In looking for boxes, if we see several "Attempted", we may
still look for the box but aren't as surprised/disappointed if we don't
find it. (Flip side is that we are elated if we DO find it!). One of
the best parts of the logging feature is that it allows us to "hide"
boxes we have found (which would also be accomplished by using
the "Ignore" flag). This gives us a much smaller list to consider when
planning an LB outing.

However I am someone that would NOT be in favor of a public comment
logging feature. I like the surprise of letterboxing and don't want to
read details about the stamp, hiding location, etc. prior to searching
for a box.

Wisconsin Hiker

Re: Feedback/messages/comments Re: [LbNA] an idea...

From: J A R S (ontario_cacher@yahoo.ca) | Date: 2006-02-23 14:01:19 UTC-05:00
To address Don's concern, perhaps the default could be to have the logs disabled and those of us who want them would have to enable the feature.

JARS

gwendontoo wrote: --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, J A R S
wrote:
>
> I hope the webteam will consider having an optional logging
feature for those hiders, like myself, who want to encourage
feedback and want to share it with others.
>
> Positive feedback inspires me to hide more boxes (that are the
same or better quality). Not so positive feedback is useful too, it
helps me tweak the clues or the location of the box to make the
find a better experience for boxers.
>
> JARS
>
I think you can receive feed back from 'Contact the Placer'. Once
received you can cut and paste into your clues. This chatlist and
others can be used for the same thing. That would be a very simple
way to post the notes you may receive and not have the procedure be
something that would have to be disabled for others that do not wish
the info posted about their letterboxes.

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Re: Feedback/messages/comments Re: [LbNA] an idea...

From: Hikers_n_ Hounds (hikers_n_hounds@yahoo.com) | Date: 2006-02-23 11:17:48 UTC-08:00
"I'll have the roast duck with the mango salsa"

rscarpen wrote: Not that there's anything wrong with being a caveman--lest any cavemen
on this list be insulted -- Ryan





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Re: Feedback/messages/comments Re: [LbNA] an idea...

From: (john@johnsblog.com) | Date: 2006-02-23 14:21:48 UTC-05:00
"I don't have much of an appetite, thank you."

On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:17:48 -0800 (PST)
Hikers_n_ Hounds wrote:
> "I'll have the roast duck with the mango salsa"

Re: Feedback/messages/comments Re: [LbNA] an idea...

From: Tattoo (nancyanna4200@yahoo.com) | Date: 2006-02-23 11:38:32 UTC-08:00
You guys are TOO much ! lol

john@johnsblog.com wrote: "I don't have much of an appetite, thank you."

On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:17:48 -0800 (PST)
Hikers_n_ Hounds wrote:
> "I'll have the roast duck with the mango salsa"


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Feedback/messages/comments Re: [LbNA] an idea...

From: gwendontoo (foxsecurity@earthlink.net) | Date: 2006-02-23 21:46:02 UTC
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, J A R S
wrote:
>
> To address Don's concern, perhaps the default could be to have the
logs disabled and those of us who want them would have to enable the
feature.
>
> JARS

You obviously missed my point. Why should the concept of listing
messages be changed for you when you already have a method to do
exactly that. LbNA is a clue database. Why not just use the methods
that I outlined and not create work for others with establishing
functions that most folks would disable? That was my concern.

Don







Re: Feedback/messages/comments Re: [LbNA] an idea...

From: Hikers_n_ Hounds (hikers_n_hounds@yahoo.com) | Date: 2006-02-23 14:57:57 UTC-08:00
I was hoping someone would bite! Thanks Choi!

john@johnsblog.com wrote: "I don't have much of an appetite, thank you."

On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:17:48 -0800 (PST)
Hikers_n_ Hounds wrote:
> "I'll have the roast duck with the mango salsa"


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RE: Feedback/messages/comments Re: [LbNA] an idea...

From: Mosey (PonyExpressMail@comcast.net) | Date: 2006-02-23 17:35:07 UTC-06:00
This would probably keep me from contacting a placer. If I send a private
note to a placer commenting about a box, I don't want it to end up on a
website without my permission. And even if I send something to the local
discussion group, that doesn't mean I want it going anyplace else without my
permission.

Now I know that, when it comes to the internet, *everything* that's posted
or written *someplace* can be assumed to end up someplace *else*, possibly
several someplace elses. That's a given. Unfortunately, Al Gore didn't
build in any protection against that when he invented the internet. But if
I think that a placer is going to be doing it, I'll control things myself
right at the outset by just not commenting on their boxes at all, either
privately or in any discussion group.

~~ Mosey ~~

-----Original Message-----
From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of J A R S
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 9:49 AM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Feedback/messages/comments Re: [LbNA] an idea...


Hmmm. Your post got me thinking. It's not so much about the hassle factor
for me, I think it's more about a finder having to leave the site to leave
a comment or view comments. I think more people would rather leave the
comment on the clue page. So I'm going to try something with my pages. I'll
copy and paste comments I receive to the end of the clue page. Although I
think finders would probably like the ability to do it themselves. Thanks
for getting me to think of a work around.

JARS



RE: Feedback/messages/comments Re: [LbNA] an idea...

From: Mosey (PonyExpressMail@comcast.net) | Date: 2006-02-23 17:37:46 UTC-06:00
Hey, I did this with a box I placed and I still rec'd complaints that I'd
made the box too hard to find! :-) Well, it wasn't every 5 feet. It was
more like every 10 or 15 feet. Guess next time I should make it 5.

~~ Mosey ~~

-----Original Message-----
From: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of alwayschaos
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 6:54 AM
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Feedback/messages/comments Re: [LbNA] an idea...


How about a
pictures section with photos leading you every 5 feet until
you "find" the box. That would make it so much easier for those who
don't have the time or want to expend the effort to figure out a
mystery.



Feedback/messages/comments Re: [LbNA] an idea...

From: Sissy n CR (cr@sc.rr.com) | Date: 2006-02-24 02:11:29 UTC
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
>
> The LbNA webmasters group determines what will be
> impletemented on the LbNA website and I can't speak for
> the entire group other than to say that the reason that we
> haven't implemented logs is not a technical one.
>
> Choi

I can see where some of this push is coming from.

Please don't turn LbNA in GC.com.

~CR





Re: Feedback/messages/comments Re: [LbNA] an idea...

From: uneksia (uneksia@yahoo.com) | Date: 2006-02-23 21:38:00 UTC-05:00
ditto........... i am a letterboxer!
smile
uneksia

-------Original Message-------


I can see where some of this push is coming from.

Please don't turn LbNA in GC.com.

~CR






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Re: Feedback/messages/comments Re: [LbNA] an idea...

From: John Chapman (john@johnsblog.com) | Date: 2006-02-23 21:58:32 UTC-05:00
As much as I love to add new things to the website, I would agree with you
on logs.

Choi

> I can see where some of this push is coming from.
>
> Please don't turn LbNA in GC.com.
>
> ~CR


Re: Feedback/messages/comments Re: [LbNA] an idea...

From: Silent Doug (silentdoug@letterboxing.info) | Date: 2006-02-24 08:13:28 UTC-05:00
What's next? An error page that pops up when you are looking for a
letterbox in the wrong place, something like "404: Letterbox Not Found"?
http://tinyurl.com/j9cdb

:-)

SD

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Feedback/messages/comments Re: [LbNA] an idea...

From: lesliekusz (lesliekusz@yahoo.com) | Date: 2006-02-26 21:15:35 UTC
Hey, I'd definitely vote for that if we could get it! :-)

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Silent Doug wrote:
>
> What's next? An error page that pops up when you are looking for a
> letterbox in the wrong place, something like "404: Letterbox Not Found"?
> http://tinyurl.com/j9cdb
>
> :-)
>
> SD
>
> |-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-|
> Silent Doug, P63 F1228 X179 E28
> http://www.letterboxing.info
> Get a Clue -- Go Letterboxing!
>





Feedback/messages/comments Re: [LbNA] an idea...

From: lesliekusz (lesliekusz@yahoo.com) | Date: 2006-02-26 21:28:31 UTC
> Not that there's anything wrong with being a caveman--lest any cavemen
> on this list be insulted--but I like to live a cushy life myself. =)
>
> -- Ryan

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Feedback/messages/comments Re: [LbNA] an idea...

From: gwendontoo (foxsecurity@earthlink.net) | Date: 2006-02-26 21:34:48 UTC

Seems like SD slid this one by.

Don


>
> Hey, I'd definitely vote for that if we could get it! :-)
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Silent Doug
wrote:
> >
> > What's next? An error page that pops up when you are looking for
a
> > letterbox in the wrong place, something like "404: Letterbox Not
Found"?
> > http://tinyurl.com/j9cdb
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > SD
> >
> > |-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-|
> > Silent Doug, P63 F1228 X179 E28
> > http://www.letterboxing.info
> > Get a Clue -- Go Letterboxing!
> >
>





Re: Feedback/messages/comments Re: [LbNA] an idea...

From: Suzanne Coe (wilmcoe@yahoo.com) | Date: 2006-02-26 15:38:14 UTC-08:00
And I'd go find it--but I DON'T "get it".... =)

lesliekusz wrote: Hey, I'd definitely vote for that if we could get it! :-)

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Silent Doug wrote:
>
> What's next? An error page that pops up when you are looking for a
> letterbox in the wrong place, something like "404: Letterbox Not Found"?
> http://tinyurl.com/j9cdb
>
> :-)
>
> SD
>
> |-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-|
> Silent Doug, P63 F1228 X179 E28
> http://www.letterboxing.info
> Get a Clue -- Go Letterboxing!
>






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Re: Feedback/messages/comments Re: [LbNA] an idea...

From: Hikers_n_ Hounds (hikers_n_hounds@yahoo.com) | Date: 2006-02-27 04:07:56 UTC-08:00
Yeah, I looked at it too. but as usual have no idea....

Suzanne Coe wrote: > What's next? An error page that pops up when you are looking for a
> letterbox in the wrong place, something like "404: Letterbox Not Found"?
> http://tinyurl.com/j9cdb
>
> :-)
>
> SD
>
> |-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-|
> Silent Doug, P63 F1228 X179 E28
> http://www.letterboxing.info
> Get a Clue -- Go Letterboxing!
>






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Re: Feedback/messages/comments Re: [LbNA] an idea...

From: wyassuplake (wyassuplake@gmail.com) | Date: 2006-02-27 13:44:39 UTC-05:00
I'm glad I'm not the only one with no idea....

On 2/27/06, Hikers_n_ Hounds wrote:
> Yeah, I looked at it too. but as usual have no idea....
>
> Suzanne Coe wrote: > What's next? An error page that pops up when you are looking for a
> > letterbox in the wrong place, something like "404: Letterbox Not Found"?
> > http://tinyurl.com/j9cdb
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > SD
> >
> > |-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-|
> > Silent Doug, P63 F1228 X179 E28
> > http://www.letterboxing.info
> > Get a Clue -- Go Letterboxing!

Feedback/messages/comments Re: [LbNA] an idea...

From: rscarpen (letterboxing@atlasquest.com) | Date: 2006-02-28 07:35:42 UTC
> I'm glad I'm not the only one with no idea....

lol! I can't help it, I think that's just hilarious. =) It's probably
right under nose and you don't even know it.

Seems to me that Clueless ought to be able to find the Clueless
Letterboxes, though. http://www.atlasquest.com/lboxes/clue.html?gBoxId=136

I don't think she did when she was in the area, though. Oh, well. =)

-- Ryan, who knows how to look under my nose ;o)




Re: Feedback/messages/comments Re: [LbNA] an idea...

From: uneksia (uneksia@yahoo.com) | Date: 2006-02-28 03:14:14 UTC-05:00
my, you are a devious one!
smile
uneksia

-------Original Message-------

From: rscarpen
Date: 02/28/06 02:37:36
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Feedback/messages/comments Re: [LbNA] an idea...

> I'm glad I'm not the only one with no idea....

lol! I can't help it, I think that's just hilarious. =) It's probably
right under nose and you don't even know it.

Seems to me that Clueless ought to be able to find the Clueless
Letterboxes, though. http://www.atlasquest.com/lboxes/clue.html?gBoxId=136

I don't think she did when she was in the area, though. Oh, well. =)

-- Ryan, who knows how to look under my nose ;o)

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Feedback/messages/comments Re: [LbNA] an idea...

From: arm858rite066 (arm858rite066@yahoo.com) | Date: 2006-02-28 16:48:51 UTC
It's probably
> right under nose and you don't even know it.

>
> -- Ryan, who knows how to look under my nose ;o)
>

Better not look under my nose.Instead look in LA?
boxnumber 14466?

GeoGeorgia




Feedback/messages/comments Re: [LbNA] an idea...

From: arm858rite066 (arm858rite066@yahoo.com) | Date: 2006-02-28 16:49:26 UTC
It's probably
> right under nose and you don't even know it.

>
> -- Ryan, who knows how to look under my nose ;o)
>

Better not look under my nose.Instead look in LA?
boxnumber 14466?

GeoGeorgia




Re: Feedback/messages/comments Re: [LbNA] an idea...

From: Suzanne Coe (wilmcoe@yahoo.com) | Date: 2006-02-28 12:48:28 UTC-08:00
Probably, and it is not nice to make fun of those of us who are computorially challenged! =)

rscarpen wrote: > I'm glad I'm not the only one with no idea....

lol! I can't help it, I think that's just hilarious. =) It's probably
right under nose and you don't even know it.


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Feedback/messages/comments Re: [LbNA] an idea...

From: Rick in Boca (rick_in_boca@bigfoot.com) | Date: 2006-02-28 21:19:39 UTC
Speaking of clueless...
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "arm858rite066"
wrote:
>
>
> GeoGeorgia
>